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    Disagio&Disagi, Inc. L'avatar di Moloch
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    La gloriosa ricerca biomedica CINESE

    eh ma i ricercatori cinesi ormai producono il 206% della ricerca biomedica mondiale, l'occidente decadente deve deallare con la superiorità dei nostri overlord gialli sbroc sbroc





    http://www.rfa.org/english/news/chin...016141438.html

    China's food and drug regulator recently carried out a one-year review of clinical trials, concluding that more than 80 percent of clinical data is "fabricated," state media reported.


    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/chi...law-in-action/

    I do not have much to write about this week. Nothing came across my feeds that inspired me to prolonged pontification and much of my time this week has been spent at the local outdoor store trying to purchase weapons for my children. Both of them are in school, one on L.A. and the other in Boston, and I have been made aware of the real and serious dangers posed by grizzly bears for unarmed students. A magnum should slow down any bear that is not smarter than average.

    So I offer this short entry on an issue that arose this week.

    It has long been noted that there is a discrepancy in outcomes in clinical trials of Traditional Chinese Pseudo-Medicine (TCMP) between those studies that have been done in China and those done in the US and Europe.

    99% of acupunctures studies in China for acupuncture are positive and:

    No trial published in China or Russia/USSR found a test treatment to be ineffective.

    This odd result has always been ascribed to a combination of culture bias and, perhaps, poor methodologies.

    The method of randomisation was often inappropriately described. Blinding was used in only 15% of trials. Only a few studies had sample sizes of 300 subjects or more. Many trials used as a control another Chinese medicine treatment whose effectiveness had often not been evaluated by randomised controlled trials. Most trials focused on short term or intermediate rather than long term outcomes. Most trials did not report data on compliance and completeness of follow up. Effectiveness was rarely quantitatively expressed and reported Intention to treat analysis was never mentioned. Over half did not report data on baseline characteristics or on side effects. Many trials were published as short reports. Most trials claimed that the tested treatments were effective, indicating that publication bias may be common; a funnel plot of the 49 trials of acupuncture in the treatment of stroke confirmed selective publication of positive trials in the area, suggesting that acupuncture may not be more effective than the control treatments

    As we have discussed at length in this blog, the poorer the methodology, the more likely a pseudo-medical study will have a positive result.

    But the issue is not cultural bias or badly done studies. Nope.

    Chinese researchers just make shit up.

    An evaluation by the Chinese government found that:

    more than 80 percent of clinical data is “fabricated,”

    It seems that making up data is de rigueur in China:

    “Clinical data fabrication was an open secret even before the inspection,” the paper quoted an unnamed hospital chief as saying.

    Academic ethics is also an underdeveloped field in China, leading to an academic culture that is accepting of manipulation of data.
    I don’t think that the 80 percent figure is overstated. I grew up a science fiction fan and a follower of Sturgeon’s law: “ninety percent of everything is crap.” It looks like Chinese medical researchers use it as a commandment rather than a warning.

    The review does not specifically mention if TCPM studies were included and my reading suggests that the investigation applies to standard biomedical research. But given the fantastical nature of TCPM and the vanishingly small (on order of gravitation wave detection, one-ten-thousandth the diameter of a proton (10-19 meter)) prior plausibility of TCPM and likelihood that most of TCPM is Oakland, I would wonder if 80% is a gross underestimate.

    Which presents an interesting and difficult problem. At what point can you no longer trust the veracity of the literature? 1.97% of researchers admit to making up data and more have other nefarious practices. Worrisome but not as difficult as a culture of fabrication. A single researcher will do less damage than a whole society. A single fake paper is likely to be swamped by the preponderance of the literature. But what if the entire literature is built on lies? Then what?

    Evaluating the medical literature as a practicing physician, I would assume that if a researcher made up his data for one study, then all his data and subsequent bloviating would be suspect. Like Wakefield. I would assume anything Wakefield says would be a lie until I could prove otherwise. And that goes against my default position to assume that people are usually not deliberately lying to me. I was raised to think a person is only as good as their word. Of course outside of the medical literature lying is not always considered a detriment. For the electoral college 80% is evidently just fine.

    If patients put their health, wealth, and life in my hands, I have to know that the clinical trials I am basing my decisions on are as close to true as possible. Truthiness is not good enough.

    Can we automatically assume that all the biomedical research coming out of China is fabricated? How can we tell? We can’t. And I would be especially skeptical of clinical trials of TCPM. It would also be interesting to see the results of the almost too numerous to count acupuncture meta-analyses if they were re-analyzed after removing all the Chinese studies.

    Unfortunately when it comes to the medical literature from China, since the information can’t be verified you have to assume it cannot be trusted and so no longer counts. It has to be considered persona non grata unless it can demonstrate otherwise.

    I assume true believers in TCPM will ignore the findings and point to the malign influence of big pharma on medical research, as if that makes the lies out of China just peachy.

    Dr. Cummings over at the BMJ Blogs was recently upset that acupuncture is considered by Wikipedia to be a pseudo-science. Acupuncture/TCPM literature is likely far worse, the lying lies of liars.





    ma porca puttanaccia, 80% di falsificazione dei dati

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    Benone

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    Disagio&Disagi, Inc. L'avatar di Moloch
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    e come dimenticare l'industria cinese delle metanalisi farlocche che vende paper identici ai gruppi di studio cambiando solo i numerini qua e là per alzargli l'index?

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/...headache-china

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    Pensa un po' che, da noi, Montagnier, quel Montagnier , si è fatto farcire di Big Money per aprire un lab in Cina e pubblicare papers sulla memoria dell'acqua in giornali peer-reviewed di cui è l'editore

    Moloch, Masc, guardate la figura 2: https://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf...012.5166v1.pdf

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    Vabbè, questi non solo sono asiatici, ma pure cinesi.

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    La famosa foto dell'operazione "senza anestesia" grazie all'agopuntura e risalente ai tempi di Mao (scattata in occasione del viaggio di Nixon se non erro) è stata demistificata.

    Il paziente poveretto subì l-intervento con mezzo sorriso sulle labbra.

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    Zero, ma la tua seconda patria le somministra ancora le pilloline di zucchero a spese dei contribuenti?

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    non ne so niente

    Mi ricordo, tuttavia, di manifestazioni a Place de la République contro la somministrazione coatta di psicofarmaci

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    L'agopuntura anestetizza! Lo vuole il partito!

    "Acupuncture Anesthesia”: A Proclamation from Chairman Mao (Part I)"


    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/acu...an-mao-part-i/

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    Mi ricorda i Fascisti su Marte appena sbarcati sul Rosso Pianeta: "Respirare ho detto! Forse si lamenta lui?"

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    make china great again

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    Non che la peer review qua se la passi troppo meglio

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    Non che la peer review qua se la passi troppo meglio
    ho letto qualche paper pubblicato in open access peer reviewed dal gruppo "frontiers in-", blandamente relato a nature.

    danno spazio pure ai negazionisti dell'hiv con errori fattuali sconfessabili da uno studente del 3° anno, basta che paghi e fanno passare la revisione paritaria anche ai paper sulla fisiologia dei puffi

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    Tai Yong Medical?

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    Ma anche senza pagare basta un colpo di culo e beccare i revisori minchioni

    Viceversa ci sono quelli che ti segano e basta because reasons adducendo motivi ridicoli

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    Il fatto che siano fabbricati non significa che siano inesatti o sbagliati

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    magic china

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